Re: Consonant Clusters at the Beginning of Words II Saul Epstein Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:33:15 -0600 From: Rob Zook Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 5:31 PM > At 04:37 PM 11/11/97 -0600, Saul wrote: > > >I meant to assert it actually, but I don't have my message where I can > >get to it to check. I only left out stop+/w/ because I don't think /w/ > >is an approximant. > > I may have gotten that one wrong. I'm not sure. I have not got a > complete, or even faintly complete list of English consonents and their > IPA cousins. No, you're right about that. IPA uses to represent an approximant. (Angle-brackets indicate an orthographic convention.) I just think the Vulcan phoneme /w/ is a fricative with an approximant allophone. (Slashes indicate a broad or phonemic transcription.) In other words, /w/ is sometimes [w] but sometimes [B]. (Square brackets indicate a narrow or phonetic transcription.) > >>That leaves with vr, and wh. I will leave wh for Marketa to solve, > >>since it appears in wh'ltri which I think is a word of her construction. > > > >It's possible that or even was meant, in the original > >transcription. > > Actually, wh'ltri is the original transcription. I did not alter it > since I did not know what was supposed to sound like. Oh, I know. I meant that Marketa might have meant what was originally when she wrote . -- from Saul Epstein liberty*uit,net www,johnco,cc,ks,us/~sepstein "Surak ow'phaaper thes'hi thes'tca'; thes'phaadjar thes'hi suraketca'." -- K'dvarin Urswhl'at