Re: A Proposal for a Modern Vulcan script Saul Epstein Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:18:32 -0600 At 02:28 PM 10/30/97 -0600, Rob wrote: >I have come up with a system which I think would find use as a modern >"international" kind of Vulcan lettering to match the "international" >Vulcan that we find in the Zvelebil Corpus. You can take a look at >it a picture of the letters and suggested phonetic values at: > >http://home,unicom,net/~lalaith/startrek/vulcan/vulc_lang/vulcletr,jpg [snip] >Please let me know what you think. I very much like the way it looks, and I note with interest that by rendering vowels as comparatively small marks associated with consonants you leave open the very definite possibility of using a "nagari"-style system like that used to to write Sanskrit. Your organization of the sounds is..,interesting? And in some places I can't read the phonetic value off the graphic. But it may need clarifying that: 1. In addition to /wh/ and /whl/, Vulcan has /w/ a voiced bilabial approximant/fricative. 2. /kh/ is an aspirated voiceless velar stop that may or may not be phonemic. 3. /x/ is a voiceless velar fricative 4. /y/ is a voiced palatal approximant 5. /rh/ is both described as "retroflex" and compared to a sound which is a palato-pharyngeal approximant (the Irish/American /r/). This discrepency needs to be explained. 6. Just to be picky: the unit of phonology is, as far as I know, the phonEme, as opposed to the phonOme. Now, in light of (1), above, I wonder if Vulcan should have distinct f AND wh, v AND w. There might instead be a voiced/voiceless pair of labials which have bilabial and labio-dental allophones. On a personal preference note: I would very much like the explicit <'> sign to look like a "real" consonant, rather than like a diacritic or a piece of punctuation. -- from Saul Epstein liberty uit net www johnco cc ks us sepstein "Surak ow'phaaper thes'hi thes'tca'; thes'phaadjar thes'hi suraketca'." -- K'dvarin Urswhl'at